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發表於 27-10-2012 14:07:21 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 118# leonoel22


    ching,你好似越講越遠了
如果你唔滿意美心快餐既水準
投訴前係咪要試匀美心集團旗下數十間食店先可評論呢
發表於 27-10-2012 15:05:15 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 leonoel22 於 27-10-2012 05:39 PM 編輯

回復 121# iwillneverlose


"ching,你好似越講越遠了",  surely I want take you guys think outside of the box

They are talking about Hasbro's production management of Marvels products. But how come only focus on cost/quality management of Marvels Product? Seems not fair and biased.

In addition, your example of Maxim is not appropriate (You can complaint the food because you had eaten but you can't complaint the toy after you opened it besides its parts make your health and life in danger). We have to look at the whole business of the company. Hasbro produces a portfolio of toys. Some earn big money and some lose. More products in the portfolio can share the risk of lose money and earn average rate of income. Maybe, their focus in some good selling toys so they cut cost from Marvel in order to maximize the profit. For example, production of baby toys are in high cost due to safety concern for babies. The production management of an product is not only determined by the managers but also the customers, board of directors, license owners, material suppliers, manufacturer...

As I viewed, hasbro try to make the retail price of the Marvel Toys lower. MU is at aver. less than one fish. ML is at aver 1.7 fish. You may see Tomy Takara transformers are in aver 2 fish and Bandai Robot Spirit and figma are over at least 2.5 fish regardless the quality. Hasbro focus on general customers such as the  parents rather than "professional figures players/collectors". They buy an iron man after watched the Movie. Parents will think buying a one fish toy is worth for shut their kids mouths.

In addition, they try to produce more characters of Marvels as they can in order to satisfy the collection of the collectors. It is understand that some are good and some are really bad quality. It is very difficult to cater all fans of every characters.

I collect all 3.75 and 6 inches Iron man, GI JOE Snake eyes and Storm shadow, Starwars Boba fett and Jango fett and other Dark Lord Sith of Hasbro. I can see the variation of the quality but I do not really care about it.

My other collection experiences:
Bandai Robot Spirit, MIA, HG GM series, SD model kits, Gundam FIX, metal fix, SDX, Saint clothes
Tomy Takara Transformers restricted to Optimus Prime
1/64 and 1/43 Model police cars (Minichamps, Norev, Schuco, Vaguards (CORGI) Hotwheels, Tomy, matchbox, SIKU, Cararama(Hongwell)..etc
SPAWN and NECA for not more than 30 figures
and some other minor collections

I buy toys everyday online and in local toy shops
發表於 27-10-2012 17:49:19 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 avengers2012 於 27-10-2012 06:07 PM 編輯
回復  avengers2012

"減質數去預防玩具銷路差"
正確黎講係減成本, 質素下跌(Avengers 375中的關節量下 ...
Assassin 發表於 26-10-2012 11:22 PM


問題就係hasbro減少成本,加了售價,但同時又減了質數。
大家噤不滿hasbro就係keep唔到本身應有的水準。Hasbro 好明顯就係計算好環境,成本和賺到多少,而放棄咗質數,試問又點值得幫
發表於 27-10-2012 18:30:05 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 無明: 於 27-10-2012 07:22 PM 編輯
問題就係hasbro減少成本,加了售價,但同時又減了質數。
大家噤不滿hasbro就係keep唔到本身應有的水準 ...
avengers2012 發表於 27-10-2012 05:49 PM
good!

我想你呢幾句簡單地概括了大家心中所想。

仍然,我都是覺得討論冇意義,因為大家根本冇數據。

就算有數據,都要有分析,即係靠估。

除非有內幕消息。

在以上前設之下,我地只有選擇立場,

選擇"相信"哪一種看法比较啱自己。

而我个人比較傾向唔会同情孩佬。

同情心只会留返比细廠,或偏鋒小眾的公司。

對於大公司手執大拉臣,强勢主導市場的大企業,我們只會寄以厚望。

之前有ching话,孩佬除Marvel以外,仲掌握starwars, transformer......等等等等大富翁, battleship等等等等全面複蓋的玩具市場,

咁都有借口出得差?





實在為富不仁!!!

發表於 27-10-2012 18:36:20 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 124# 無明:

Then, improve our own quality to earn more for quality toys and hobbies. Just leave those rubbish if you think they are rubbish. I think it would be more positive
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發表於 27-10-2012 18:43:49 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 124# 無明:


    其實只要相信眼前既事便可
在大家眼前只睇到孩佬出左一堆垃圾
大家就齊插孩佬出得唔好
就係咁簡單
發表於 27-10-2012 18:57:48 | 顯示全部樓層
回復  無明:


    其實只要相信眼前既事便可
在大家眼前只睇到孩佬出左一堆垃圾
大家就齊插孩佬出得 ...
iwillneverlose 發表於 27-10-2012 06:43 PM

我覺得孩佬都唔衰得曬
佢批mu有部份出得相當唔錯
發表於 27-10-2012 19:08:00 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 126# iwillneverlose

為什麼我們的情緒
和行為要被垃圾控制?
發表於 27-10-2012 19:53:02 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 無明: 於 27-10-2012 08:47 PM 編輯
回復  iwillneverlose

"ching,你好似越講越遠了",  surely I want take you guys think outside of th ...
leonoel22 發表於 27-10-2012 03:05 PM

"think outside of the box...."

我幾LiKe你呢句…………

讓我們退後幾步看。。。。。。。

不再討論應不應為孩佬着想,孩佬是進步還是退步………有冇掛marvel羊頭賣狗肉………

今次post的爭論,和大家一直的積怨,是怎樣起源的?

OK,Starwars line-,孩老由kenner3.75接過棒,當時首三集電影完了很久,

新的前傅又 遙遙無期……孩老点樣延續呢條廿年的3,75神話呢??

當年在冇新電影,冇宣傳之下,孩老做左好多新玩法,

場景配件都好有心思。其375figure的造型和關節

也慢慢地隨住時代的進步,改良。到九九年最新前傳上演,3.75 figure的造型上色,衣服亦保持向上。

直到八年前零五年最後一集前傳的3.75 figure,

加了大量ball joint關節,面相及造型又更上層樓,

近代大家玩開的3.75 figure才在此定下標準。

跟著來幾年,ball joint不斷加新,造型每次到改良求變。

零八年的奪寶奇兵375,全線採用Starwars"標準",

更穩定了大家對此"標準"的認同。

之後Starwars再無電影,雖然冇再有大配件,但是關節等等"標準"仍保持應有的期望。

孩佬用"穩步上揚" 的方法來演繹Starwars, 大家普遍都会接受,無咁多人積怨。

成件事,好合理。


但MU呢?
發表於 27-10-2012 21:08:23 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 無明: 於 27-10-2012 09:42 PM 編輯


MU呢?

Toysbiz"時代"(不討論toybiz是Marvel什麼的問題)的珠玉在前,

令MU軟手軟腳的重用body失色。

又並無有採用Starwars line 定下,大家又0K的所謂"標準"。

你說MU角色多要重用body,Starwars咪重多!

雖然角色齊,部份角色亦有進步的.是的,

但質素"不附合預期",難免暗積怨。

此仍其一。

其二,,,,,。


發表於 27-10-2012 21:31:26 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 130# 無明:

You are right. I think you might see my posts in the series of 我不是星戰迷

Truly, I am not 星戰迷. I have even not seen all the Star wars movies But I really found those characters and the figures are really good. I started to collect those 3.75 inches Darth Sith Lord and Empire Officers from August 2012. I completed the collection after received 2 comic packs of Qel-Dorma and Exar Kun few days ago.
發表於 27-10-2012 22:21:07 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 無明: 於 28-10-2012 05:43 PM 編輯


其二,点解大家会對孩佬有誤會,怨氣,導火線之一乃今年的Avengers電影玩具。

不提MU, Ironman2 3.75是符合大家的期望的。除了電影角色齊,war machine, Drone出嚌,

仲返兜頭一集MK1至MK6,再來漫畫版一網打盡,(比較MU的漫畫版,

MU又比下去。)關節,足。造型,正。又有卡,有地台,有彈弓玩具,大人小朋友,合玩。

之後出多後隻Repaint,conceptual art版,有冇人怨先?

成件事,大家happy,你要賺,比袮賺。合理。

到Thor电影,承接到Ironman2 3.75的合理期望,無地台,卡,算數。

公仔算精美,款又齊,有兒童向玩具一件,大人小朋友OK,又過關!!

除了Thor唔夠高外,都冇乜投訴。

美國隊長電影3,75都keep到(除了樣衰外), 除了Repaint兒童玩具大多外,有幾隻有多關節高可動的隊長交到差,件事依然是合理嘅。

等Avengers電影大家都寄以厚望時,玩具出成点大家有目共睹,今年也說得太多了。

不想再說。好多Ching都堅持唔買,實在不合預期。

小弟仍則積極面對,替其進行改造!!!有睇開我post的都会知。

http://toysdaily.com/discuz/view ... 9686&highlight=

But. what happened, happened.木已成舟。

经Avengers一役,民怨已經達臨界点!!

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發表於 27-10-2012 22:52:54 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 128# leonoel22

你字眼太重了
    我地只係對貨品有意見姐
唔係俾乜嘢野控制住
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發表於 27-10-2012 23:12:17 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 127# quincy


    就係佢mu大部份都出得好先燥
咁樣更加覺得佢出6吋係揸流灘
佢為左谷Marvel 375呢條新Line
就集中技術落去
6吋因為響市場早有一班fans
唔憂無客所以hea出
本人深感覺得375同6吋既技術相約
「其實可能375仲難d」
但兩者質素相差係幾多就唔使我講啦
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發表於 28-10-2012 00:29:32 | 顯示全部樓層
回復  quincy


    就係佢mu大部份都出得好先燥
咁樣更加覺得佢出6吋係揸流灘
佢為左谷Marvel ...
iwillneverlose 發表於 27-10-2012 11:12 PM


你呢個意見,我極讚同,我最不滿HASBRO的最大原因就係佢""HEA出""呢點,有能力去做到九十分,偏偏好似食硬你班FANS咁,同你計到盡,只係做五十五分的東西出黎,呢樣先最乞我憎!!!{:3_127:}
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